Community

Name

Type

Source

Level

Req

Skill

Replaces

Notes

Master Communicator

Feat

DR385 68

Half-Elf

Diplomacy

Arcana

Comprehend Languages

Fey-Minded

Feat

DR384 36

Nature trained

Nature

Arcana

Fey monster knowledge checks

Mark of Detection

Feat

EPG 90

Perception

Arcana

detecting magic

Cunning Artifice

Feat

DR387 33

Changeling, changeling trick, artificer

Arcana

Bluff

changeling trick

Initiate of Three Masks

Feat

DR382 30

Changeling, assassin

Stealth

Bluff

changeling trick

Friendly Deception

Feat

ArP 127

Bard, words of friendship

Bluff

Diplomacy

Words of Friendship

Words of Wrath

Feat

DR396

Bard, words of friendship

Intimidate

Diplomacy

Words of Friendship

Autohypnosis

Feat

PsP 130

Psionic class, Arcana trained

Arcana

Endurance

While not bloodied

Sorcerous Vision

Feat

Sorcerer

Arcana

Insight

Sorcerous Vision

Feat

Sorcerer

Arcana

Perception

Arcane Ritualist

Feat

ArP 130

Arcane class

Arcana

Ritual Skill

One ritual only

Dungeon Experience

Feat

DR385 80

Dungeoneering trained

Dungeoneering

Thievery

Disable Traps/Open Locks

Cord of Elusive Thoughts

Item

PsP 159

Uncommon

Arcana

Acrobatics

Escape checks

Cord of Elusive Thoughts

Item

PsP 159

Uncommon

Arcana

Athletics

Escape checks

Vecna's Puzzle Box

Item

AV2 127

Uncommon

Arcana

Religion

Divination rituals

Nimble Shoes

Item

PsP 158

Athletics

Acrobatics

Soaring Blade

Paragon Path

PsP 76

Monk, Acrobatics trained

Acrobatics

Athletics

Jumping

Arcane Trickster

Paragon Path

MP2 72

Rogue, Arcana trained

Arcana

Athletics

Phantasmagoric Scoundrel

Paragon Path

DR386 17

Arcana and Bluff or Thievery trained

Arcana

Bluff

1/encounter

Phantasmagoric Scoundrel

Paragon Path

DR386 17

Arcana and Bluff or Thievery trained

Arcana

Diplomacy

1/encounter

Insightful Negotiator

Paragon Path

DR385 8

Dragonborn, divine class

Insight

Diplomacy

Phantasmagoric Scoundrel

Paragon Path

DR386 17

Arcana and Bluff or Thievery trained

Arcana

Intimidate

1/encounter

City Dweller

Skill Utility

PHB3 176

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Acrobatics

In urban environment, daily power

Secrets of the City

Skill Utility

DR389

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Arcana

In settlement after succeding 1st streetwise check

City Dweller

Skill Utility

PHB3 176

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Athletics

In urban environment, daily power

Arcane Mutterings

Skill Utility

PHB3 165

Arcana trained

Arcana

Bluff

Encounter Power

Arcane Mutterings

Skill Utility

PHB3 165

Arcana trained

Arcana

Diplomacy

Encounter Power

Fast Talk

Skill Utility

PHB3 167

Bluff trained

Bluff

Diplomacy

Re-roll

Try the Stick

Skill Utility

PHB3 172

Intimidate trained

Intimidate

Diplomacy

Encounter Power

Secrets of the City

Skill Utility

DR389

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

History

In settlement after succeding 1st streetwise check

Secrets of the City

Skill Utility

DR389

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Intelligence

In settlement after succeding 1st streetwise check

Arcane Mutterings

Skill Utility

PHB3 165

Arcana trained

Arcana

Intimidate

Encounter Power

Fast Talk

Skill Utility

PHB3 167

Bluff trained

Bluff

Intimidate

Re-roll

Damning Secret

Skill Utility

DR389

Insight trained

Insight

Intimidate

Must share language

Stonecunning

Skill Utility

PHB3 168

Dungeoneering trained

Dungeoneering

Perception

Underground

City Dweller

Skill Utility

PHB3 176

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Perception

In urban environment, daily power

Secrets of the City

Skill Utility

DR389

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Religion

In settlement after succeding 1st streetwise check

Improvisational Arcana

Skill Utility

PHB3 167

Bluff trained

Bluff

Ritual Skill

Daily Power

Deep Shadows

Skill Utility

PHB3 168

Dungeoneering trained

Dungeoneering

Stealth

Underground

City Rat

Skill Utility

PHB3 175

Streetwise trained

Streetwise

Stealth

In urban environment, encounter power

Kord's Force

Skill Utility

DR392

Athletics trained

Athletics

Strength

Encounter Power

Legend Lore

Skill Utility

PHB3 170

History trained

History

Arcana

Encounter Power

Legend Lore

Skill Utility

PHB3 170

History trained

History

Religion

Encounter Power

Legend Lore

Skill Utility

PHB3 170

History trained

History

Nature

Encounter Power

Legend Lore

Skill Utility

PHB3 170

History trained

History

Dungeoneering

Encounter Power

All-Encompassing Nature

Utility

DR386 35

Druid

Nature

Arcana

Encounter Power

All-Encompassing Nature

Utility

DR386 35

Druid

Nature

Dungeoneering

Encounter Power

All-Encompassing Nature

Utility

DR386 35

Druid

Nature

Religion

Encounter Power

Mighty Leap

Utility

MP2 9

Fighter

Athletics

Acrobatics

Reducing falling damage

Suggestion

Utility

HotFL 203

Wizard

Arcana

Diplomacy

Encounter Power

Spook

Utility

HoS 99

Wizard

Arcana

Intimidate

Encounter Power

So, of course I'm sure that I've missed tons. This was created with the goal in mind to be able to condense almost all skills checks onto one or two skills. I'm also sure there is a much easier way to display a table like this. Feel free to post away with more feats, items, and mistakes. I've sorted the table according to the skill being replaced.

#2 Jun 01, 2011 21:27:55

Scatterbrained

Joined Aug 2009

3140 Posts

Nimble Shoes, PsP 158, lv 12, replace athletics with acrobatics

#3 Jun 02, 2011 9:09:02

Jay_Ibero_911

Joined Feb 2006

5917 Posts

Rygel, Svirfneblin Warlord|Sentinel 16--Kelith, Revenant Fighter 16 --Samel, Human Thief 13 --Aden Kadril, Elf Paladin 13 --Traya Moonraven, Revenant Hybrid 13 --Chais Domarien, Tiefling Psion 12 --Shiny Scales, Dragonborn Warlord 8 --Krush, Human Warlock 6 --Maxwell Edison, Human Rogue 4

Nice work, though I would recommend breaking the list down into categories (Items, paragon paths, powers, feats etc).

Current LFR Characters

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#4 Jun 02, 2011 9:58:03

vonlazuli

Joined Dec 2009

392 Posts

So... basically Arcana is the greatest skill there is.

Fun question, how many of these things can you chain together on a character?

i.e Use Improvisational Arcana to replace Religion from a ritual with Bluff, then use Initiate of Three Masks to replace Bluff with Stealth, then use Deep Shadows to replace Stealth with Dungeoneering, then use All-Encompassing Nature to make a Nature check to perform a religion ritual.

Laz

#5 Jun 02, 2011 13:18:46

tobascodagama

Joined Jul 2010

895 Posts

Bonus points if you find a way to do a full circle substitution so that, at the end of the chain, you're using the same skill you started with.

#6 Jun 02, 2011 13:43:17

skandranon-sg

Joined Nov 2008

184 Posts

Nimble Shoes, PsP 158, lv 12, replace athletics with acrobatics

Added.

Nice work, though I would recommend breaking the list down into categories (Items, paragon paths, powers, feats etc).

Done.

So... basically Arcana is the greatest skill there is.

Fun question, how many of these things can you chain together on a character?

i.e Use Improvisational Arcana to replace Religion from a ritual with Bluff, then use Initiate of Three Masks to replace Bluff with Stealth, then use Deep Shadows to replace Stealth with Dungeoneering, then use All-Encompassing Nature to make a Nature check to perform a religion ritual.

Laz

That's actually the goal of a bard build I'm going to post soon. Nature is actually the best one out there, because with the Druid utility, it can replace arcana (and everything arcana replaces) as well as Dungeoneering and Religion. This is what I have so far:

All-Encompassing Nature
Sorcerous Vision
Arcane Mutterings
Arcane Trickster
Autohypnosis

This gives us Arcana, Religion, Dungeoneering, Perception, Insight, Endurance, Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Athletics all under Nature. Note that this is an encounter power, so some way to recover spent utility powers of level 6 or lower is a big necessity to the build.

For those not keeping track, this means I still have Acrobatics, Heal, History, Stealth, Streetwise and Thievery to get onto Nature.

#7 Jun 02, 2011 14:59:16

monkeygentleman

Joined Feb 2011

1391 Posts

My Builds:
Oppenheimer, the Destroyer of Worlds
Bullet Train: 180-230mph At-Will Speed
Aim to Please: +56 to Hit At-Will (Caution: Silly)
Mini Blender: Pixie Centered Monk/Sorcerer with Lightning Fury
The Flying Ninja: Desert's Voice Genasi Warlock|Executioner
Clutching Wraith - The Inescapable, Insubstantial Grasping Ghost
Athan of the Many Colors: Psychic/Cold/Poison/Radiant/Fire/Necrotic Vulnerability
Dagnir the Dead Plague Rat - Pariah build with a Tiny twist
The Frozen Hammer of God: Lvl 16 Cavalier|Warlock Radiant/Frostcheese Catch-22
The Flickering Knight: Lvl 11 Eladrin Knight Glimmering Blade and Evermeet Warlock
Half-Elf Twin Strike Polearm Shenanigans Fighter with Reach 3

I saw this a few weeks ago - plugged it into the CB and it worked like a charm. Filling in the rest of the slots with good Rogue stuff makes the in-combat application not useless, either!

You have untrained skills and you call yourself a skills monkey? ;)

Eladrin Thief/Sorcerer/Jack of All Trades

Str 11, Con 11, Dex 24, Int 14, Wis 9, Cha 18
Prison Conversion Background
Level 16

Trained Skills: Acrobatics+25, Arcana+22, Bluff+22, Diplomacy+22, Dungeoneering+17, Endurance+18, Heal+17, Intimidate+22, Nature+17, Stealth+25, Streetwise+25, Thievery+25
Tagged to Trained Skills: Athletics+25, History+25, Insight+22, Perception+22, Religion+25
Untrained Skills: Nada.

Feat 8: Disciple of Lore
Feat 10: Arcane Prodigy
Feat 11: Sorcerous Vision
Utility 2: Secrets of the City
Item 2: Ioun's Revelation
Item 12: Nimble Shoes

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#8 Jun 02, 2011 15:06:49

mellored

Joined Jul 2008

29685 Posts

5e houserules and tweaks.

There's an streewise->arcana ritual (?).
As well as thivery->arcana (knock).

Celestial Link Evoking Radiance into Creation

A Party Without Music is Lame: A Bard

Level Dip Guide

4e stuff

guides

List of no-action attacks.
Dynamic vs Static Bonuses
Phalanx tactics and builds
Crivens! A Pictsies Guide Good
Powers to intentionally miss with
Mr. Cellophane: How to be unnoticed
Way's to fire around corners
Crits: what their really worth
Retroactive bonus vs Static bonus.
Runepriest handbook & discussion thread
Holy Symbols to hang around your neck
Ways to Gain or Downgrade Actions
List of bonuses to saving throws
The Ghost with the Most (revenant handbook)

my builds

F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter. With some warlord stuff. Broken in a plot way, not a power way.

Thought Switch Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1. If your allies play along, it's broken.

Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation. 5 of these will end anything. Broken.

King Fisher Optimized net user. Moderate.

Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.

Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit. Overpowered.

Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.

Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.

Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.

Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.

Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.

Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.

Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat. One of THE most abusive character in 4e.

Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.

Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.

Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.

Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.

Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.

The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.

Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power.

Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken.

Rune of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.

Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.

Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.

Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight with items, making it far more broken.

Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.

Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones. Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.

#9 Jun 02, 2011 16:00:06

awaken_D_M_golem

Joined Dec 2006

3076 Posts

Goal #1 --- PC winning their own participation in all skill challenges
Goal #2 --- PC insta-buffing Party to win all skill challenges
Goal #3 --- PC winning all skill challenges on their own, by-passing Party participation

There's a few thingies in the MP2 Martial Practices.
iirc I made a thread about one of them, basically 3e UMD for 4e.
No access, so details are idk.

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#10 Jun 02, 2011 16:38:19

alandmj

Joined Dec 2010

157 Posts

As far as I can push:
Tiefling Int/Cha Cunning Bard/Sorceror　ｆｏｒ　Ｉｎｓｉｇｈｔ　ａｎｄ　Ｐｅｒｃｅｐｔｉｏｎ　/Rogue　ｆｏｒ　Ａｔｈｌｅｔｉｃｓ　ａｎｄ　Ａｃｒｏｔａｔｉｃｓ/Psion for Endurance/Ritual Casting for an extra +5 to Endurance (Song of Sustenance) and Streetwise and Thievery
and then go Sage of Ages for free rerolls and +2 to attacks and defenses and +5 sv all day, using utilities (and Secret of Belial) to make up for the rest of the skills.

Besides unlike the rest of the skills you only need one Runic Armor to boost the Arcana (and Sage of Ages provides another hefty +6). The rest of the item slots are completely free to fill out.

So basically it covers these skills
All STR skills (Cha to Athletics)
All Int skills (with bardic knowledge and Sage of Ages)
All Cha skills (Main stats Cha and Bard of All Trades)
All Wis Skills except Heal (At least you get the most important Perception and a very useful Insight, Nature and Dungeoneering is covered by Bardic Knowledge and Sage of Ages (+8, which is generally like Wis 26)).
All Con Skills (Endurance)
A few Dex skills (Acrobatics and thievery in certain condition).
Maybe the only skills that are not fully covered by this build is Stealth and Thievery and Heal.

And this build does not cost too much and is totally functional unlike some builds that does not work effectively once they spend resources to boost their skills. High Int also covers the AC problem. At least you can Staggering Note with Thunderous Anguish Wand and slides (and grants MBA to those with that feat). Also the PP is unoccupied so one can either go life singer fo happy reroll or Jack of All Trades for another +2 boost.

Int/Arcana class just rules, no matter in combat or in the realm of skills.
The rest just sucks at skills, Scholar with Traveler's Insight and Ghost Panther excluded.

#11 Jun 02, 2011 17:04:53

JRedGiant1

Joined Jun 2009

1928 Posts

Legend Lore (2nd level Skill Power) seems like a glaring omission to me. It allows you to make a History check for any knowledge check, and almost any Nature, Religion, Arcana or Dungeoneering check outside of a ritual is a knowledge check.

#12 Jun 02, 2011 18:06:57

curiousdragon

Joined Jan 2010

1174 Posts

Zuoken's Centering isn't a skill replacement, but it does allow a Githzerai Monk to use Wisdom instead of Strength for Atheltics.

#13 Jun 02, 2011 20:34:46

skandranon-sg

Joined Nov 2008

184 Posts

Legend Lore (2nd level Skill Power) seems like a glaring omission to me. It allows you to make a History check for any knowledge check, and almost any Nature, Religion, Arcana or Dungeoneering check outside of a ritual is a knowledge check.

Added.

#14 Mar 06, 2012 7:55:24

tedium

Joined Jun 2010

627 Posts