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So the purpose of this build is to just lay down marks and make it extremely unwise and ineffective for the baddies to attack anyone but you. In order to do this we mark 2 people with braidman's Weapon and have group defense (pick up Mark of Warding if you get DM approval for -4 on all marks) and then just sit there and soak up the damage and get healed. If need be you can even heal yourself or others. At epic you can Daze with the now at will Weight of Earth + Overwhelming Impact. The goal of this build is not to do damage or anything like that, but just to be a really solid defender that no one can really do much around if you don't want them to.

Level 30 build

Mr. Super Effective, level 30

Half-Elf, Paladin, Hospitaler, Eternal Seeker

Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Hammer)

Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol)

Seeking Destiny: Keeper's Prescience

FINAL ABILITY SCORES

Str 14, Con 16, Dex 12, Int 10, Wis 24, Cha 26.

STARTING ABILITY SCORES

Str 12, Con 12, Dex 10, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 16.

AC: 48 Fort: 43 Reflex: 41 Will: 44

HP: 205 Surges: 18 Surge Value: 51

TRAINED SKILLS

Religion +20, Heal +27, Intimidate +28, Diplomacy +30, Perception (retrained to Bluff at Level 20) +27, Bluff +28, Endurance +19

UNTRAINED SKILLS

Acrobatics +12, Arcana +15, Dungeoneering +22, History +15, Insight +24, Nature +22, Stealth +12, Streetwise +23, Thievery +12, Athletics +13

FEATS

Level 1: Versatile Expertise

Level 2: Virtuous Recovery

Level 4: Group Defense

Level 6: Toughness (retrained to Versatile Master at Level 11)

Level 8: Bardic Dilettante

Level 10: Combat Virtuoso

Level 11: Honored Foe

Level 12: Armor Specialization (Plate)

Level 14: Paragon Defenses (retrained to Robust Defenses at Level 23)

Level 16: Eyes in the Back of Your Head

Level 18: Devoted Paladin (retrained to Weakening Challenge at Level 22)

Level 20: Toughness

Multiclass Mastery: Battle Awareness

Multiclass Mastery: Defender of the Wild

Level 21: Multiclass Mastery

Level 22: Pious Champion

Level 24: Martial Resolve

Level 26: Sudden Roots

Level 28: Epic Fortitude

Level 30: Epic Reflexes

POWERS

Dilettante: Weight of Earth

Lay on Hands: Lay on Hands

Paladin at-will 1: Virtuous Strike

Paladin at-will 1: Enfeebling Strike

Seeker's Lore: Climactic Chord

Paladin encounter 1: Valorous Smite

Paladin daily 1: Majestic Halo

Paladin utility 2: Call of Challenge

Paladin encounter 3: Righteous Smite

Paladin daily 5: Unyielding Faith

Paladin utility 6: Wrath of the Gods

Paladin encounter 7: Astral Thunder

Paladin daily 9: Crown of Glory

Paladin utility 10: Guiding Verse

Paladin encounter 13: Castigating Strike (replaces Righteous Smite)

Paladin daily 15: True Nemesis (replaces Unyielding Faith)

Paladin utility 16: Divine Aegis

Paladin encounter 17: Hand of the Gods (replaces Valorous Smite)

Paladin daily 19: Corona of Blinding Radiance (replaces Crown of Glory)

Paladin utility 22: Failure is No Option

Paladin encounter 23: Demand Respect (replaces Hand of the Gods)

Paladin daily 25: Discipline the Unruly (replaces Majestic Halo)

Paladin encounter 27: Restricting Smite (replaces Castigating Strike)

Paladin daily 29: Hero's Beacon (replaces Corona of Blinding Radiance)

ITEMS

Heavy Shield, Gallant Godplate Armor +6, Bradaman's Warhammer +6, Ring of Free Time (epic tier), Shadow Band (epic tier), Iron Armbands of Power (epic tier), Essence of the Wisp (epic tier), Many-Fingered Gloves (paragon tier), Ring of Tenacious Will (epic tier), Sandals of Avandra (epic tier), Belt of Vim (paragon tier), Healer's Brooch +6, Skewering Javelin +5, Symbol of the Champion's Code +5

Mr. Super Effective, level 30Half-Elf, Paladin, Hospitaler, Eternal SeekerVersatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Hammer)Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol)Seeking Destiny: Keeper's Prescience
FINAL ABILITY SCORESStr 14, Con 16, Dex 12, Int 10, Wis 24, Cha 26.
STARTING ABILITY SCORESStr 12, Con 12, Dex 10, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 16.

AC: 48 Fort: 43 Reflex: 41 Will: 44HP: 205 Surges: 18 Surge Value: 51
TRAINED SKILLSReligion +20, Heal +27, Intimidate +28, Diplomacy +30, Perception (retrained to Bluff at Level 20) +27, Bluff +28, Endurance +19
UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +12, Arcana +15, Dungeoneering +22, History +15, Insight +24, Nature +22, Stealth +12, Streetwise +23, Thievery +12, Athletics +13
FEATSLevel 1: Versatile ExpertiseLevel 2: Virtuous RecoveryLevel 4: Group DefenseLevel 6: Toughness (retrained to Versatile Master at Level 11)Level 8: Bardic DilettanteLevel 10: Combat VirtuosoLevel 11: Honored FoeLevel 12: Armor Specialization (Plate)Level 14: Paragon Defenses (retrained to Robust Defenses at Level 23)Level 16: Eyes in the Back of Your HeadLevel 18: Devoted Paladin (retrained to Weakening Challenge at Level 22)Level 20: ToughnessMulticlass Mastery: Battle AwarenessMulticlass Mastery: Defender of the WildLevel 21: Multiclass MasteryLevel 22: Pious ChampionLevel 24: Martial ResolveLevel 26: Sudden RootsLevel 28: Epic FortitudeLevel 30: Epic Reflexes
POWERSDilettante: Weight of EarthLay on Hands: Lay on HandsPaladin at-will 1: Virtuous StrikePaladin at-will 1: Enfeebling StrikeSeeker's Lore: Climactic ChordPaladin encounter 1: Valorous SmitePaladin daily 1: Majestic HaloPaladin utility 2: Call of ChallengePaladin encounter 3: Righteous SmitePaladin daily 5: Unyielding FaithPaladin utility 6: Wrath of the GodsPaladin encounter 7: Astral ThunderPaladin daily 9: Crown of GloryPaladin utility 10: Guiding VersePaladin encounter 13: Castigating Strike (replaces Righteous Smite)Paladin daily 15: True Nemesis (replaces Unyielding Faith)Paladin utility 16: Divine AegisPaladin encounter 17: Hand of the Gods (replaces Valorous Smite)Paladin daily 19: Corona of Blinding Radiance (replaces Crown of Glory)Paladin utility 22: Failure is No OptionPaladin encounter 23: Demand Respect (replaces Hand of the Gods)Paladin daily 25: Discipline the Unruly (replaces Majestic Halo)Paladin encounter 27: Restricting Smite (replaces Castigating Strike)Paladin daily 29: Hero's Beacon (replaces Corona of Blinding Radiance)
ITEMSHeavy Shield, Gallant Godplate Armor +6, Bradaman's Warhammer +6, Ring of Free Time (epic tier), Shadow Band (epic tier), Iron Armbands of Power (epic tier), Essence of the Wisp (epic tier), Many-Fingered Gloves (paragon tier), Ring of Tenacious Will (epic tier), Sandals of Avandra (epic tier), Belt of Vim (paragon tier), Healer's Brooch +6, Skewering Javelin +5, Symbol of the Champion's Code +5

Comments/questions/suggestions always welcome

#2 Apr 28, 2010 6:13:48

dielzen

Joined Jun 2004

1518 Posts

I'm working on a slightly similar build, so I've found a couple items that might assist your build, they might not, as I don't know every item/power by heart like some (so there might be stacking concerns I'm unaware of)...

1 - Battle Standard of Honor (AV) inflicts another -1 to hit allies in a burst 5
2 - Crown of Eyes (AV) negates the CA enemies get for flanking you
3 - Aversion Staff (PHB3) grants +2 to defenses against marked enemies (I think)
4 - Daunting Challenge (MP) affects your marks

Reference Guides: It's Elemental: A Guide to Damage Types The At-Will To Power: A Guide to At-Will Enhancers My Crazy Build Ideas

My Character Builds

Fuel - A Bard|Ardent Master of Puppets: A Lazylord|Bard Seek & Destroy: A Bard/Seeker PMC Sorcerer Pole Dancer: A Polearm Bard Photophobia: A Paladin|Warlock Hexer Push It: A Pushy Battlemind

#3 Apr 28, 2010 6:30:48

Joined Sep 2008

59 Posts

Eyes In the Back of your Head does the same thing as Crown and doesn't take an item slot. This is not a very feat intensive build. also Battle Standard is a great idea...What does Daunting Challenge do?

#4 Apr 28, 2010 6:33:39

dielzen

Joined Jun 2004

1518 Posts

Also, another item, I've noticed that many people miss this.

You have bard MC at 8 and fighter MC at 18

You can devote an epic feat to Multiclass Mastery (AP; Level 21 Bard) at 21+ and pick the MCs you want to keep (detailed explanation below) then retrain out the previous feats. You won't lose the MM feat, cause it satisfies it's own prerequisite of being a Bard.

So what you do --
You take a Bardic MC feat that you DO NOT WANT to keep at any level
At 21 (or later) you retrain the other feat you want (in this case the lvl 18 Fighter MC feat) to Multiclass Mastery, with the two options for it, you take the same Fighter MC feat, and the Bard MC feat you want to keep.
Then at 22 (or later) you can retrain out the low-level Bard MC feat to something more useful.

For the cost of a couple retrains and an epic feat, you just gained an extra feat slot to spend as you choose. You're a Bard at all levels, if you do things in the right order, and the MM feat serves as its own prereq, so you're solid. You can also perform this sort of feat rearrangement with a build that MCs to bard (or out of) and takes a power-swap feat, as they all have the [Multiclass] tag.

Reference Guides: It's Elemental: A Guide to Damage Types The At-Will To Power: A Guide to At-Will Enhancers My Crazy Build Ideas

My Character Builds

Fuel - A Bard|Ardent Master of Puppets: A Lazylord|Bard Seek & Destroy: A Bard/Seeker PMC Sorcerer Pole Dancer: A Polearm Bard Photophobia: A Paladin|Warlock Hexer Push It: A Pushy Battlemind

#5 Apr 28, 2010 6:37:30

dielzen

Joined Jun 2004

1518 Posts

Eyes In the Back of your Head does the same thing as Crown and doesn't take an item slot. This is not a very feat intensive build. also Battle Standard is a great idea...What does Daunting Challenge do?

oh, nm, Daunting requires Combat Challenge, even tho it works on generic marks. As a MC fighter you don't actually have the CC feature.

Reference Guides: It's Elemental: A Guide to Damage Types The At-Will To Power: A Guide to At-Will Enhancers My Crazy Build Ideas

My Character Builds

Fuel - A Bard|Ardent Master of Puppets: A Lazylord|Bard Seek & Destroy: A Bard/Seeker PMC Sorcerer Pole Dancer: A Polearm Bard Photophobia: A Paladin|Warlock Hexer Push It: A Pushy Battlemind

#6 Apr 28, 2010 6:48:00

netarious

Joined Jan 2008

1 Post

I don't know whether or not you've read the Sir Marksalot thread but you may get a few ideas through reading the discussion there.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

The Death Metal link in my signature is of a similar theme but relies on revenant survivability to stay alive.

My Builds:

Necarious - Defender/Controller/Striker (Battlemind/Gladiator Champion/Destined Scion) - DPR 184
Storminglord (Ranger) - DPR King Candidate (185.24)
The Emo Angler (Fighter|Warlord)
Shielding Immo-bola-izer (Swordmage|Avenger)
Death Metal (Bard/Artificer/Warden/Paladin/Wizard)
Bola Controlla (Wizard|Cleric)

#7 Apr 28, 2010 6:53:27

Joined Sep 2008

59 Posts

I'm working on a slightly similar build, so I've found a couple items that might assist your build, they might not, as I don't know every item/power by heart like some (so there might be stacking concerns I'm unaware of)...

1 - Battle Standard of Honor (AV) inflicts another -1 to hit allies in a burst 5
2 - Crown of Eyes (AV) negates the CA enemies get for flanking you
3 - Aversion Staff (PHB3) grants +2 to defenses against marked enemies (I think)
4 - Daunting Challenge (MP) affects your marks

Daunting Challenge requires the Combat Challenge Class feature so no dice :-(

#8 Apr 28, 2010 7:17:06

Joined Sep 2008

59 Posts

Also, another item, I've noticed that many people miss this.

You have bard MC at 8 and fighter MC at 18

You can devote an epic feat to Multiclass Mastery (AP; Level 21 Bard) at 21+ and pick the MCs you want to keep (detailed explanation below) then retrain out the previous feats. You won't lose the MM feat, cause it satisfies it's own prerequisite of being a Bard.

So what you do --
You take a Bardic MC feat that you DO NOT WANT to keep at any level
At 21 (or later) you retrain the other feat you want (in this case the lvl 18 Fighter MC feat) to Multiclass Mastery, with the two options for it, you take the same Fighter MC feat, and the Bard MC feat you want to keep.
Then at 22 (or later) you can retrain out the low-level Bard MC feat to something more useful.

For the cost of a couple retrains and an epic feat, you just gained an extra feat slot to spend as you choose. You're a Bard at all levels, if you do things in the right order, and the MM feat serves as its own prereq, so you're solid. You can also perform this sort of feat rearrangement with a build that MCs to bard (or out of) and takes a power-swap feat, as they all have the [Multiclass] tag.

sweet I'll do that then. Sounds like a good idea. Then i should have enough feats for Epic Will then too

#9 May 01, 2010 5:23:46

Joined Sep 2008

59 Posts

going to update the build after tuesday's updates. Going to take Multiclass Mastery for Fighter + Warden, and use the Bard MC to get Bluff instead of Perception, and then use Warden to get Perception. Then going to get Sudden Roots so that OAs daze too. Going to drop Untiring Virtue.

#10 May 01, 2010 15:06:02

netarious

Joined Jan 2008

1 Post

With MC Warden you can also take Dilletente's Mark which lets you mark with your dilettente power.

#11 May 01, 2010 22:22:44

kilo24

Joined Aug 2005

91 Posts

I was toying with a Hospitaler, myself, and I ended up changing it into a Cleric|Paladin which I liked a good bit better than going either full cleric or paladin. You give up Channel Divinity, Lay On Hands, a feat for Hybrid Talent, and your Divine Challenge sucks until Paragon, but you get much better healing, the ability to be fully competent at a range (useful for keeping Divine Challenge working and for the 5 move from heavy armor), party-friendly AoE, lots of buffs, and the extra selection of powers that hybrid gives.

Going Str/Wis like I did also shored up the Fortitude stat. I just hate doubling up on a Cha/Wis, myself, especially for a guy in the Defender role. It does waste 2 of the Hospitaler's powers, but Reserve Maneuver can cover for one of them.

Hybriding Cleric lets you use Wisdom for the Hospitaler as a primary stat, thus maximizing the Hospitaler's best ability. That extra range also potentially lets you maintain Divine Challenge while running circles around an enemy the controllers are slowing, immobilizing and dazing

#12 May 04, 2010 10:54:47

Joined Sep 2008

59 Posts

Updated to without windrise ports, and added Sudden roots for OA dazing. Updated the items to make it more effective (dropped the Symbol of Champion's order down to a +5 to make room for more expensive stuff like better boots etc.)

#13 May 04, 2010 12:31:27

Joined Sep 2008

59 Posts

Survived Nerfbat untouched. anyone got anything else to say/suggest?

#14 May 10, 2010 5:50:04

imaginaryfriend.inv

Joined Aug 2007

4 Posts

For me the layout in the first post is corrupted and unviewable.
Attempting to correct: