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Or how to make your choice of deity do the most for your channel divinity powers, domains, items, paragon paths, and epic destiny choices.

Whether you have a deity picked out for character for RP reasons and want to know what you can do with it to make your character work better, you have a character concept and you want to pick whatever deity works best to optimize it, or something in between, then this should help make sorting though the hundreds of options clerics, avengers, paladins, and invokers face a bit easier. And once you have made your choice this will explore the different ways to enhance your choice through picking your at wills, items, paragon paths and other choices that make your deity work for you.

If you already have a deity picked out and want to know what matches it in the guide, you can use the "find" function of your browser to search out the deity name after opening up the spoiler blocks.

How to get a channel divinity power:

All regular avengers, clerics, invokers, or paladins start with at least 1. If you hybrid as one of these classes you can get a channel divinity power by using a hybrid talent feat. A non divine character can use the feat divine channeller. This only gives access to that particular channel divinity power once a day, but you count as a member of the class for all other prerequisites. You can then pick up a separate channel divinity feat and use that power each encounter.

Good Deities and Domains for Each Class Build

(for those who do not want to bother reading a whole guide)

Cheat Sheet

Clerics:

Battle
Domains: skill, earth, sun, darkness, trickery, strength, freedom
Deities: Path of Light Dol Dorn Moradin Tempus Kol Korran Lolth Balinor

Lazer
Domains: Sun
Deities: Amaunator Sehanine

Pacifist
Domains:
Deities:

Paladin:

Straladin
Domains:
Deities: Moradin Tempus

Chaladin
Domains:
Deities: Amaunator

Baladin
Domains:
Deities:

Invoker:

Wrath
Domains:
Deities:

Malediction
Domains:
Deities:

Preservation
Domains:
Deities:

Avenger

Pursuit
Domains:
Deities:

Retribution
Domains:
Deities:

Unity
Domains:
Deities:

Index of Gods and their Domains

Index

Avandra: Change, Freedom, Luck
Bahamut: Hope, Justice, Protection
Corellon: Arcana, Skill, Wilderness
Erathis: Civilization, Creation, Justice
Ioun: Fate, Knowledge, Skill
Kord: Storm, Strength, War
Melora: Life, Sea, Wilderness
Moradin: Creation, Earth, Protection
Pelor: Hope, Life, Sun
The Raven Queen: Death, Fate, Winter
Sehanine: Love, Moon, Trickery

Asmodeus: Civilization, Tyranny
Bane: Skill, War
Gruumsh: Destruction, Strength
Lolth: Darkness, Trickery
Tharizdun: Destruction, Madness
Tiamat: Strife, Vengeance
Torog: Earth, Torment
Vecna: Knowledge, Undeath
Zehir: Darkness, Poison

FR
Amaunator: Civilization, justice, sun
Angharradh: Hope, protection
Bahamut: Justice, strength
Berronar: Truesilver Life, protection
Chauntea: Earth, hope, life
Corellon: Arcana, skill, wilderness
Garl Glittergold: Creation, trickery
Gond: Creation, knowledge
Ilmater: Freedom, hope
Kelemvor: Death, fate, justice
Mielikki: Freedom, wilderness
Moradin: Creation, earth, protection
Oghma: Knowledge, skill, trickery
Selûne: Arcana, change, moon
Sheela Peryroyl: Love, wilderness
Silvanus: Life, storm, wilderness
Sune: Love, skill, trickery
Tempus: Protection, strength, war
Torm: Civilization, justice,protection
Tymora: Change, luck
Waukeen: Civilization, knowledge
Asmodeus: Knowledge, torment,tyranny
Auril: Storm, winter
Bane: Civilization, tyranny, war
Beshaba: Fate, trickery
Cyric: Madness, strife, trickery
Ghaunadaur: Destruction, earth, madness
Gruumsh: Destruction, storm,strength
Lolth: Darkness, poison, strife
Loviatar: Torment, vengeance
Luthic: Earth, protection
Shar: Darkness, knowledge,undeath
Sseth: Arcana, darkness
Talona: Destruction, poison
Tiamat: Tyranny, vengeance
Umberlee: Sea, storm
Zehir: Darkness, poison

Eberron
The Silver Flame: Hope, justice, protection
The Sovereign Host: Civilization, fate, knowledge
Arawai: Life, storm, wilderness
Aureon: Arcana, justice, knowledge
Balinor: Earth, strength, wilderness
Boldrei: Civilization, justice, protection
Dol Arrah: Hope, sun, war
Dol Dorn: Skill, strength, war
Kol Korran: Civilization, skill, trickery
Olladra: Change, freedom, luck
Onatar: Civilization, creation, strength
The Blood of Vol: Death, undeath
The Path of Light: Freedom, skill, sun
The Spirits of the Past: Protection, vengeance, war
The Undying Court: Fate, knowledge, undeath
The Dark Six: Destruction, wilderness
The Devourer: Destruction, sea, storm
The Fury: Madness, vengeance
The Keeper: Death, torment
The Mockery: Trickery, war
The Shadow: Arcana, darkness
The Traveler: Change, creation, trickery
Cults of the Dragon Below: Darkness, madness

Dragon #378 is the source for the FR and Eberron domains.

Index of Domains

domains

change: freedom(Olladra), luck(Olladra), arcana(Sel?ne), creation(The Traveler), moon(Sel?ne), trickery(The Traveler)

freedom:change(Olladra), luck(Olladra), hope(Ilmater), skill(The Path of Light), wilderness(Mielikki), sun(The Path of Light)

luck:change(Olladra), freedom(Olladra)

hope:freedom(Ilmater), justice(The Silver Flame), protection(The Silver Flame), war(Dol Arrah), life(Chauntea), earth(Chauntea), sun(Dol Arrah)

justice:hope(The Silver Flame), protection(Boldrei), arcana(Aureon), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Erathis), fate(Kelemvor), knowledge(Aureon), strength(Bahamut), sun(Amaunator), death(Kelemvor)

protection: hope(The Silver Flame), justice(Boldrei), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Moradin), strength(Tempus), war(The Spirits of the Past), earth(Luthic), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past), truesilver life(Berronar)

arcana:change(Sel?ne), justice(Aureon), skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), knowledge(Aureon), moon(Sel?ne), darkness(The Shadow)

skill:freedom(The Path of Light), arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), civilization(Kol Korran), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Oghma), strength(Dol Dorn), war(Dol Dorn), sun(The Path of Light), love(Sune), trickery(Kol Korran)

wilderness:freedom(Mielikki), arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), storm(Arawai), strength(Balinor), life(Arawai), sea(Melora), earth(Balinor), love(Sheela Peryroyl), destruction(The Dark Six)

civilization:justice(Boldrei), protection(Boldrei), skill(Kol Korran), creation(Onatar), fate(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Sovereign Host), strength(Onatar), war(Bane), sun(Amaunator), trickery(Kol Korran), tyranny(Bane)

creation:change(The Traveler), justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Onatar), knowledge(Gond), strength(Onatar), earth(Moradin), trickery(The Traveler)

fate:justice(Kelemvor), skill(Ioun), civilization(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen), trickery(Beshaba), undeath(The Undying Court)

knowledge:justice(Aureon), arcana(Aureon), skill(Oghma), civilization(The Sovereign Host), creation(Gond), fate(The Undying Court), trickery(Oghma), tyranny(Asmodeus), darkness(Shar), torment(Asmodeus), undeath(The Undying Court)

storm:wilderness(Arawai), strength(Gruumsh), war(Kord), life(Arawai), sea(The Devourer), winter(Auril), destruction(The Devourer)

strength:justice(Bahamut), protection(Tempus), skill(Dol Dorn), wilderness(Balinor), civilization(Onatar), creation(Onatar), storm(Gruumsh), war(Dol Dorn), earth(Balinor), destruction(Gruumsh)

war:hope(Dol Arrah), protection(The Spirits of the Past), skill(Dol Dorn), civilization(Bane), storm(Kord), strength(Dol Dorn), sun(Dol Arrah), trickery(The Mockery), tyranny(Bane), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past)

life:hope(Chauntea), wilderness(Arawai), storm(Arawai), sea(Melora), earth(Chauntea), sun(Pelor)

sea:wilderness(Melora), storm(The Devourer), life(Melora), destruction(The Devourer)

earth:hope(Chauntea), protection(Luthic), wilderness(Balinor), creation(Moradin), strength(Balinor), life(Chauntea), destruction(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), torment(Torog)

sun:freedom(The Path of Light), hope(Dol Arrah), justice(Amaunator), skill(The Path of Light), civilization(Amaunator), war(Dol Arrah), life(Pelor)

death:justice(Kelemvor), fate(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen), torment(The Keeper), undeath(The Blood of Vol)

winter:fate(The Raven Queen), storm(Auril), death(The Raven Queen)

love:skill(Sune), wilderness(Sheela Peryroyl), moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sune)

moon:change(Sel?ne), arcana(Sel?ne), love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery:change(The Traveler), skill(Kol Korran), civilization(Kol Korran), creation(The Traveler), fate(Beshaba), knowledge(Oghma), war(The Mockery), love(Sune), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), strife(Cyric)

tyranny:civilization(Bane), knowledge(Asmodeus), war(Bane), vengeance(Tiamat), torment(Asmodeus)

destruction:wilderness(The Dark Six), storm(The Devourer), strength(Gruumsh), sea(The Devourer), earth(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), poison(Talona)

darkness:arcana(The Shadow), knowledge(Shar), trickery(Lolth), madness(Cults of the Dragon Below), strife(Lolth), undeath(Shar), poison(Zehir)

madness:earth(Ghaunadaur), trickery(Cyric), destruction(Ghaunadaur), darkness(Cults of the Dragon Below), strife(Cyric), vengeance(The Fury)

strife: trickery(Cyric), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), vengeance(Tiamat), poison(Lolth)

vengeance: protection(The Spirits of the Past), war(The Spirits of the Past), tyranny(Tiamat), madness(The Fury), strife(Tiamat), torment(Loviatar)

torment: knowledge(Asmodeus). earth(Torog), death(The Keeper), tyranny(Asmodeus), vengeance(Loviatar)

undeath: fate(The Undying Court), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(The Blood of Vol), darkness(Shar)

poison: destruction(Talona), darkness(Zehir), strife(Lolth)

truesilver life: protection(Berronar)

Core Only

change: freedom(Avandra), luck(Avandra)

freedom: change(Avandra), luck(Avandra)

luck: change(Avandra), freedom(Avandra)

hope: justice(Bahamut), protection(Bahamut), life(Pelor), sun(Pelor)

justice: hope(Bahamut), protection(Bahamut), civilization(Erathis), creation(Erathis) protection: hope(Bahamut), justice(Bahamut), creation(Moradin), earth(Moradin)

arcana: skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon)

skill:arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), war(Bane)

wilderness:arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), life(Melora), sea(Melora) civilization: justice(Erathis), creation(Erathis), tyranny(Asmodeus)

creation:justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Erathis), earth(Moradin)

fate:skill(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), death(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen)

knowledge:skill(Ioun), fate(Ioun), undeath(Vecna)

storm:strength(Kord), war(Kord) strength: storm(Kord), war(Kord), destruction(Gruumsh)

war:skill(Bane), storm(Kord), strength(Kord)

life:hope(Pelor), wilderness(Melora), sea(Melora), sun(Pelor)

sea:wilderness(Melora), life(Melora) earth: protection(Moradin), creation(Moradin), torment(Torog)

sun:hope(Pelor), life(Pelor)

death: fate(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen)

winter:fate(The Raven Queen), death(The Raven Queen) love: moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine) moon: love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery:love(Sehanine), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth)

tyranny:civilization(Asmodeus)

destruction:strength(Gruumsh), madness(Tharizdun)

darkness:trickery(Lolth), poison(Zehir)

madness:destruction(Tharizdun)

strife:vengeance(Tiamat)

vengeance:strife(Tiamat)

torment:earth(Torog)

undeath:knowledge(Vecna)

poison:darkness(Zehir)

FR + core

change: freedom(Avandra), luck(Tymora), arcana(Sel?ne), moon(Sel?ne)

freedom: change(Avandra), luck(Avandra), hope(Ilmater), wilderness(Mielikki)

luck: change(Tymora), freedom(Avandra)

hope: freedom(Ilmater), justice(Bahamut), protection(Angharradh), life(Chauntea), earth(Chauntea), sun(Pelor)

justice: hope(Bahamut), protection(Torm), civilization(Torm), creation(Erathis), fate(Kelemvor), strength(Bahamut), sun(Amaunator), death(Kelemvor)

protection: hope(Angharradh), justice(Torm), civilization(Torm), creation(Moradin), strength(Tempus), war(Tempus), earth(Luthic), truesilver life(Berronar)

arcana: change(Sel?ne), skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), moon(Sel?ne), darkness(Sseth)

skill: arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Oghma), war(Bane), love(Sune), trickery(Sune)

wilderness: freedom(Mielikki), arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), storm(Silvanus), life(Silvanus), sea(Melora), love(Sheela Peryroyl)

civilization: justice(Torm), protection(Torm), creation(Erathis), knowledge(Waukeen), war(Bane), sun(Amaunator), tyranny(Bane)

creation: justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Erathis), knowledge(Gond), earth(Moradin), trickery(Garl Glittergold)

fate: justice(Kelemvor), skill(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), death(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen), trickery(Beshaba)

knowledge: skill(Oghma), civilization(Waukeen), creation(Gond), fate(Ioun), trickery(Oghma), tyranny(Asmodeus), darkness(Shar), torment(Asmodeus), undeath(Shar)

storm: wilderness(Silvanus), strength(Gruumsh), war(Kord), life(Silvanus), sea(Umberlee), winter(Auril), destruction(Gruumsh)

strength: justice(Bahamut), protection(Tempus), storm(Gruumsh), war(Tempus), destruction(Gruumsh)

war: protection(Tempus), skill(Bane), civilization(Bane), storm(Kord), strength(Tempus), tyranny(Bane)

life: hope(Chauntea), wilderness(Silvanus), storm(Silvanus), sea(Melora), earth(Chauntea), sun(Pelor)

sea: wilderness(Melora), storm(Umberlee), life(Melora)

earth: hope(Chauntea), protection(Luthic), creation(Moradin), life(Chauntea), destruction(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), torment(Torog)

sun: hope(Pelor), justice(Amaunator), civilization(Amaunator), life(Pelor)

death: justice(Kelemvor), fate(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen)

winter: fate(The Raven Queen), storm(Auril), death(The Raven Queen)

love: skill(Sune), wilderness(Sheela Peryroyl), moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sune)

moon: change(Sel?ne), arcana(Sel?ne), love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery: skill(Sune), creation(Garl Glittergold), fate(Beshaba), knowledge(Oghma), love(Sune), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), strife(Cyric)

tyranny: civilization(Bane), knowledge(Asmodeus), war(Bane), vengThe thread 0xbf8 has exited with code 0 (0x0). eance(Tiamat), torment(Asmodeus)

destruction: storm(Gruumsh), strength(Gruumsh), earth(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), poison(Talona)

darkness: arcana(Sseth), knowledge(Shar), trickery(Lolth), strife(Lolth), undeath(Shar), poison(Zehir)

madness: earth(Ghaunadaur), trickery(Cyric), destruction(Ghaunadaur), strife(Cyric)

strife: trickery(Cyric), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), vengeance(Tiamat), poison(Lolth)

vengeance: tyranny(Tiamat), strife(Tiamat), torment(Loviatar)

torment: knowledge(Asmodeus), earth(Torog), tyranny(Asmodeus), vengeance(Loviatar)

undeath: knowledge(Shar), darkness(Shar)

poison: destruction(Talona), darkness(Zehir), strife(Lolth)

truesilver life: protection(Berronar)

EB + core

change: freedom(Olladra), luck(Olladra), creation(The Traveler), trickery(The Traveler)

freedom: change(Olladra), luck(Olladra), skill(The Path of Light), sun(The Path of Light)

luck: change(Olladra), freedom(Olladra)

hope: justice(The Silver Flame), protection(The Silver Flame), war(Dol Arrah), life(Pelor), sun(Dol Arrah)

justice: hope(The Silver Flame), protection(Boldrei), arcana(Aureon), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Erathis), knowledge(Aureon)

protection: hope(The Silver Flame), justice(Boldrei), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Moradin), war(The Spirits of the Past), earth(Moradin), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past)

arcana: justice(Aureon), skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), knowledge(Aureon), darkness(The Shadow)

skill: freedom(The Path of Light), arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), civilization(Kol Korran), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), strength(Dol Dorn), war(Dol Dorn), sun(The Path of Light), trickery(Kol Korran)

wilderness: arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), storm(Arawai), strength(Balinor), life(Arawai), sea(Melora), earth(Balinor), destruction(The Dark Six)

civilization: justice(Boldrei), protection(Boldrei), skill(Kol Korran), creation(Onatar), fate(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Sovereign Host), strength(Onatar), trickery(Kol Korran), tyranny(Asmodeus)

creation: change(The Traveler), justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Onatar), strength(Onatar), earth(Moradin), trickery(The Traveler)

fate: skill(Ioun), civilization(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen), undeath(The Undying Court)

knowledge: justice(Aureon), arcana(Aureon), skill(Ioun), civilization(The Sovereign Host), fate(The Undying Court), undeath(The Undying Court)

storm: wilderness(Arawai), strength(Kord), war(Kord), life(Arawai), sea(The Devourer), destruction(The Devourer)

strength: skill(Dol Dorn), wilderness(Balinor), civilization(Onatar), creation(Onatar), storm(Kord), war(Dol Dorn), earth(Balinor), destruction(Gruumsh)

war: hope(Dol Arrah), protection(The Spirits of the Past), skill(Dol Dorn), storm(Kord), strength(Dol Dorn), sun(Dol Arrah), trickery(The Mockery), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past)

life: hope(Pelor), wilderness(Arawai), storm(Arawai), sea(Melora), sun(Pelor)

sea: wilderness(Melora), storm(The Devourer), life(Melora), destruction(The Devourer)

earth: protection(Moradin), wilderness(Balinor), creation(Moradin), strength(Balinor), torment(Torog)

sun: freedom(The Path of Light), hope(Dol Arrah), skill(The Path of Light), war(Dol Arrah), life(Pelor)

death: fate(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen), torment(The Keeper), undeath(The Blood of Vol)

winter: fate(The Raven Queen), death(The Raven Queen)

love: moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

moon: love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery: change(The Traveler), skill(Kol Korran), civilization(Kol Korran), creation(The Traveler), war(The Mockery), love(Sehanine), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth)

tyranny: civilization(Asmodeus)

destruction: wilderness(The Dark Six), storm(The Devourer), strength(Gruumsh), sea(The Devourer), madness(Tharizdun)

darkness: arcana(The Shadow), trickery(Lolth), madness(Cults of the Dragon Below), poison(Zehir)

madness: destruction(Tharizdun), darkness(Cults of the Dragon Below), vengeance(The Fury)

strife: vengeance(Tiamat)

vengeance: protection(The Spirits of the Past), war(The Spirits of the Past), madness(The Fury), strife(Tiamat)

torment: earth(Torog), death(The Keeper)

undeath: fate(The Undying Court), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(The Blood of Vol)

poison: darkness(Zehir)

Rating Sytem. (I will try to rate the various feats based on class, don't know how I will organize that)

Red: Don’t take this, there is always something better
Purple: Might be useful sometimes, but there are almost always better options
Black: Good enough
Blue: Good choice and might be the best depending on different factors.
Sky Blue: Almost always one of the best choices

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#2 Mar 08, 2010 16:29:26

Joined Jun 2008

5782 Posts

Channel Divinity

I will generally rank channel divinity powers on how useful they are for performing your class role, how commonly you will use them, and occasionally will downgrade powers that provoke OA or if they take more than a minor action. So ranged powers generally will be slightly downgraded vs close burst powers and use you judgement when I recommend a ranged power since clerics and avengers in particular have both ranged and melee powers.

Classes (Or what you get for free)

classes

Avengers

Divine Guidance This lets allies make a second attack roll against your oath target as an interrupt.

Abjure Undead Kind of like turn undead, but without the feat support and pulls instead of pushes.

Clerics

Divine Favor +1 to your next attack or save. This is not much, but is useful to every cleric in every encounter. Can be augmented a little by feats and paragon paths and all clerics get it.

Healer's Mercy A close burst healing power for bloodied allies that also weakens you. For many clerics, weakened is not a big deal.

Turn Undead Close bust that pushes, damages and immobilizes undead. Feats can make it target other creatures as well as other tricks. Uses wisdom and an implement so strength clerics may not be that accurate with it.

Invokers

Rebuke Undead Like turn undead but dazes. Not as augmentable as turn undead.

Paladins

Divine Mettle Ally gets a save with a bonus

Divine Strength You do extra damage on your next attack.

Paragon Paths

Platinum Mantle (Chromatic Bane) An immediate interrupt +2 untyped defensive boost for you and your allies in close burst when you are hit by an area/close attack.

Censure Devils (knight of the chalice) Weakens Devils.

Settings

I am only going to list those that I think are worth considering for at least one class.

Points of Light

POL

Any

Corellon's Grace This gives you an extra move action almost every encounter, but you have little control when it will be.

Moradin’s Resolve At higher levels there are a lot of large creatures that you will get a +2 untyped bonus to attack

Pelor’s Radiance This is like turn undead, but it stuns.

Raven Queen’s Blessing Ranged healing

Divine Rage(No prereqs) Anyone can take this feat. Close burst wisdom vs will implement power that pushes and gives penalty to attacks.

Avengers
Avandra’s Rescue Switch places with an ally

Kords Favormore than other classes you will be critting enough to get good use out of it from low levels.

Clerics

Armor of Bahamut Ranged damage reduction for an ally

Avandra’s Rescue Switch places with an ally. Mostly for clerics minoring in defender

Ioun's Poise OK Defense boost for ally

Melora’s Tide Ally Regeneration

Invokers

Armor of Bahamut Ranged damage reduction for an ally

Melora’s Tide Ally Regeneration

Paladins

Avandra’s Rescue Switch places with an ally

Any

Power of Amaunator Tack on extra radiant damage.

Berronar’s Salve Help an ally that drops to 0.

Blessing of Silvanus Ally heals extra when spending a surge

Chauntea's BlessingAn ally gets to reroll a save with a bonus

Eyes of Selûne Reroll a save

Glittergold's GambitAlly can reroll an attack or skill check

Kelemvor's Judgment Sort of like turn undead for any class.

Fleetness of Mielikki Bonus to speed and ignore difficult terrain.

Avengers

Righteous Rage of Tempus maximize damage on a melee hit.

Sheela Peryroyl's Gift Ally rolls a save

Clerics
Righteous Rage of Tempus maximize damage on a melee hit.

Tymora's Coin Get an extra double roll most encounters

Invokers

Sheela Peryroyl's Gift Ally rolls a save

Tymora's Coin Get an extra double roll most encounters

Paladins
Righteous Rage of Tempus maximize damage on a melee hit.

Ilmater's MartyrdomTransfers your surges to ally when hit by crit.

Tymora's Coin Get an extra double roll most encounters

Eberron

Any

Arawai's Abundance Good healing/defense bonus

Beacon of Dol Arrah Can be skyblue for heavy radiant using parties

Light Within Depending on party makeup and movement abilities, multiple allies might be able to get healing from this.

Onatar's Gift You or ally get bonus to will defense and do extra fire damage.

Sovereign Justice Give an ally temp hitpoints when you are damaged.

Traveler’s Gift Allies in close burst can shift 1 and lose any marks.

Undying’s Command Vs will attack that dominates undead.

Avengers

Might of Dol Dorn Temp hitpoints when you hit with a melee attack

Clerics

Boldrei’s Shelter Close burst power bonus to defense.

Kol Korran’s Boon For pacifist clerics this is useful.

Might of Dol Dorn Temp hitpoints when you hit with a melee attack

Shield of the Silver FlameSave against specific effects in close burst and get temp hitpoints equal to charisma when they save

Invokers

Paladins

Boldrei’s Shelter Close burst power bonus to defense.

Might of Dol Dorn Temp hitpoints when you hit with a melee attack

Shield of the Silver FlameSave against specific effects in close burst and get temp hitpoints equal to charisma when they save

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My Fun builds:

Defender, Set Hammers to Stun: 8.5 Stuns an Encounter at level 23

Swampthing: Earthforger Lifespirit Warden Verdant Lord

St. Elmo's Fire: Satyr Monk/Chaladin, Challenge, Slide, and Shift!

Don't Come Around Here No More: A Catch 22 WorldSpeaker

Bear Trap: Polearm Momentum Protector Shaman Disciple of Winds

Raging Teleporter: Genasi Barbarian/Assault swordmage Ghostblade

#3 Mar 08, 2010 16:37:22

Joined Jun 2008

5782 Posts

Domains

Channel Divinity

Arcana
CD Arcana Ward Potential scaling resistance

Change
CD Cycle of Change Transfer a save ends effect

Civilization
CD Anthem of Civilization You or ally gets attack bonus while you flank. Good for battle clerics and paladins.

Creation
CD Creation Secret Chance to not expend a daily magic item usage

Darkness
CD Darkness Consumes Close burst concealment

Death
CD Death Knell Kill an enemy or use other CD power later on

Destruction
CD Path of Destruction Roll twice for melee damage. Good for any melee class.

Earth
CD Earth Hold Automatically slow close enemies. Good for paladins and avengers

Fate
CD Fate Rolls On Ranged. Penalize/reward someone who makes/fails a save. Only worth taking if you have a lot of save ends powers.

Freedom
CD Path of Freedom Mass saves against a couple of movement effects.

Hope
CD Hope Remains Give bonuses to ally who comes back from 0 hp.

Justice
CD Immediate Justice (D374) Do radiant damage when ally hits 0.

Knowledge
CD Sure KnowledgeReroll a knowledge check

Life
CD Pulse of Life Make sure an ally makes their death save.

Love
CD Loving Sacrifice Ranged. Better take one that actually heals them and hurts no one.

Luck
CD Imminent LuckThis is really nice for elves or if you have other reroll abilities

Madness
CD Screaming Madness Pretty much just for invokers.

Moon
CD Moon TouchedOK healing and possible temp hitpoints for an ally.

Poison
CD Original Poison I do not think any divine class has enough poison powers to make use of this.

Protection
CD Sure Protection Extra protection from second wind

Sea
CD Sea Surge Slide an ally

Skill
CD Divine Excellence Bonus to skill checks

Storm
CD Storm Sacrifice

Strength
CD Strength of the Gods For battle clerics and strength paladins.

Strife
CD Sudden Strife Ranged Good when combined with slowing/immobilizing powers, so mainly for invokers

Sun
CD Solar Enemy Close burst radiance vulnerability!

Torment
CD Perfect Torment Untyped save penalties! Good for parties that focus on this

Trickery
CD Trickster's Fortune Penalize a save and potentially give an ally a save.

Tyranny
CD Master of Tyranny Bonus to attack bloodied creatures.

Undeath
CD Undeath's AllyAlly gets lots of temp hitponts, but has very short range.

Vengeance
CD Small Vengeance Just a little damage.

War
CD Path of War Untyped bonuses to attack/penalty to defenses for allies

Wilderness
CD Grasp of the WildCreates area of difficult terrain. OK for clerics and invokers.

Winter
CD Path of Winter resist cold

At will powers and domain index

At will index

I am using the general ratings from the various guides to do this part.

Avenger

Overwhelming Strike: Change, Darkness, Earth, Madness, Poison, Skill, Strength, Storm, Torment, Trickery, Wilderness
Bond of Censure: Destruction, Justice, Luck, Moon, Sea, Tyranny, Undeath, Winter
Bond of Retribution: Fate, Strife, War
Leading Strike: Civilization, Freedom, Hope, Knowledge, Protection
Radiant Vengenace: Arcana, Creation, Death, Life, Love, Sun, Vengeance

Cleric
Astral Seal (DP): Fate, Knowledge, Life, Torment, Tyranny, Vengeance
Lance of Faith (PHB): Arcana, Luck, Strife, Sun, Undeath, Winter
Priest's Shield (PHB): Civilization, Darkness, Protection, Strength, War
Righteous Brand (PHB): Creation, Death, Destruction, Freedom, Hope, Justice, Madness, Moon, Poison, Skill, Storm
Recovery Strike (DP): Change, Earth, Love, Sea, Trickery, Wilderness

Invoker

Avenging Light (PHB2) Fate Hope Life Strength Trickery Vengeance
Divine Bolts (PHB2) Arcana, Change Sea Skill Tyranny
Grasping Shards (PHB2) Creation Destruction Knowledge Poison Undeath
Hand of Radiance (DP) Moon Winter
Mantle of the Infidel (PHB2) Civilization Justice Torment
Sun Strike (DP) Love Strife Sun Wilderness
Vanguard's lightning (PHB2) Freedom Luck Protection Storm
Visions of Blood (DP) Darkness Death Earth Madness War

Paladin

Ardent Strike (DP) Darkness Destruction Strife torment
Bolstering Strike (PHB) Change Creation Earth Life War
Enfeebling Strike (PHB) Death Madness Moon Poison Trickery Tyranny Undeath Winter
Holy Strike (PHB) Fate Freedom Luck Strength Vengence
Valient Strike (PHB) Civilization Hope Protection Skill Storm Wilderness
Virtuous Strike (DP) Arcana Justice Knowledge Love Sea Sun

Feats

Domain Feats

Ratings are for general usefulness of power, but see above for each classes rankings.

Arcana
Power of Arcana (DP) Arcana. Power becomes arcane. For a few builds using the arcane type feats this is very good, but it is very build dependent

Change
Power of Change (DP) Thievery. Bonus to next encounter/daily attack.

Civilization
Power of Civilization(DP) Diplomacy. Power does more damage when you sre adjacent to enemies. Other feats can always increase damage

Creation
Power of Creation (D374/DP) religion. Power gives ac bonus to ally.

Darkness
Power of Darkness (DP) stealth. Power gives concealment

Death
Power of Death (DP) Religion. Power does extra damage against bloodied enemies. Other feats can always increase damage

Destruction
Power of Destruction (DP) intimidate. Power does extra damage against non bloodied enemies. Other feats can always increase damage

Earth
Power of Earth (DP) Athletics. Power slows

Fate
Power of Fate (DP) insight. Power gets bonus to hit vs bloodied enemy

Freedom
Power of Freedom(DP) acrobatics. Power gives bonus to ally's save

Hope
Power of Hope (DP)Diplomacy. Power gives another ally a bonus to attack

Justice
Power of Justice (DP)Insight. Power gives bonus to all your bloodied allies on their next attack

Knowledge
Power of Knowledge (DP) history. Power gives you a bonus to defense

Life
Power of Life (DP) Heal. Power also gives temp hitpoints

Love
Power of Love(DP) Diplomacy. Power can give temp hitpoints instead of doing damage

Luck
Power of Luck(DP) Acrobatics. power crits on 19-20. Lowers to red in epic usually.

Madness
Power of Madness(DP) Bluff. Power penalizes the enemy's next round attacks

Moon
Power of Moon (DP) Perception. Power lowers their AC until the end of your next turn

Poison
Power of Poison (DP) bluff. Makes power poisonous and do extra damage with it. Poison is easily resisted and other feats can boost damage to all attacks usually.

Protection
Power of Protection (DP) Heal. Power gives ally bonus to all defenses

Sea
Power of Sea (DP) Athletics. Power lets you take a save or give an enemy a save penalty

Skill
Power of Skill (DP) Bonus to all trained skills and power becomes a basic attack.

Storm
Power of Storm(DP) Intimidate. Power becomes thunder and does extra damage. Invokers will liek this, but not many others will

Strength
Power of Strength (DP) Athletics. Power does extra damage

Strife
Power of Strife (DP) Bluff. Power does more damage to enemies near other enemies.

Sun
Power of Sun (DP) Insight. Power makes enemy vulnerable to radiant

Torment
Power of Torment (DP) Intimidate. Power grants CA

Trickery
Power of Trickery (DP) Thievery. Power lets you or an ally shift

Tyranny
Power of Tyranny (DP) Intimidate. Power automatically lowers enemies saves

Undeath
Power of Undeath (DP) Religion. Power becomes necrotic instead of radiant and does extra damage.

Vengeance
Power of Vengeance (DP) Intimidate. Power causes enemies to take damage if they attack.

War
Power of War (DP) History. Power gets bonus to attack against unbloodied enemies

Wilderness
Power of Wilderness (DP) Nature. Power lets you and allies ignore difficult terrain.

Winter
Power of Winter(DP) Endurance. Power becomes cold and does extra damage. Helps some with frost cheese if you care about that, otherwise not very good.

Ginzu Items: A Guide to Dual Purpose Implements & Weapons

Night at the Roxbury: Tricks for Parties With Multiple Defenders

This Party is Off the Hook! A Miniguide to Party Optimization

My Fun builds:

Defender, Set Hammers to Stun: 8.5 Stuns an Encounter at level 23

Swampthing: Earthforger Lifespirit Warden Verdant Lord

St. Elmo's Fire: Satyr Monk/Chaladin, Challenge, Slide, and Shift!

Don't Come Around Here No More: A Catch 22 WorldSpeaker

Bear Trap: Polearm Momentum Protector Shaman Disciple of Winds

Raging Teleporter: Genasi Barbarian/Assault swordmage Ghostblade

#4 Mar 08, 2010 16:38:42

Joined Jun 2008

5782 Posts

Everything else

Feats that augment Channel Divinity or give you a boost after using a CD power.

CD related Feats

Any
Armored by Faith Temp hitpoints after using a CD power

Darkfoe Allies get necrotic resistance when you use a CD power.

Glorious ChannelerUse 2 CDs powers in one encounter

Domain Synergy Get +2 bonus to at will power after using related CD power.

Avenger
Channel of Vengeance(PMC Avenger) Get Abjure Undead and Divine Guidance

Oath of Urgency switch oath targets

Cleric
Divine Boon: Divine fortune makes next attack do 5 extra radiant damage.

Greater Turning Turn undead pushes undead you miss

Dazing Rebuke You can daze instead of immobilize with turn undead

Undead Ward Turn Undead creates a zone that damages undead

Channel of Faith(PMC Cleric) Get Divine Fortune and Turn Undead

Invoker:
Speaker of the GodsCrit on 18-20 after using channel divinity power.

Invoker’s AuraAfter using CD power enemies take radiant damage if they are near you ar hit you.

Channel of Invocation(PMC invoker) Get Armor of Wrath and Preservers Rebuke

Paladin
Divine Purity Target of Divine Mercy might get necrotic resistance. Darkfoe is much than this.

Channel Might Get a power bonus to attack after using channel divinity

Channel of Valor(PMC Paladin) Get divine mettle and divine strength

Deva
Shared Channeling You can let allies use personal channel divinity powers.

Dragonborn
Draconic Majesty

Drow
Drow Ecclesiastic

Spider Charmer

Half-Orc
Furious Devotion Damage bonus after using channel divinity power.

Human
Divine Approval Make a save when you use a channel divinity power.

Gnome
Hidden Channeling Gain concealment with CD

Revanant
Divine FateYou or ally rerolls a save or check

Shadar Kai
Pervasive Gloom

Shadow Legacy

Shifter
Holy Savagery Gain an untyped bonus to melee attacks when using a cd while bloodied

Vistani
Covenant Eye

Other Feats That Require Deity

Other Feats

By Deity

Paragon Paths that require a deity or boost your CD usage somehow/give you a CD

Paragon Paths

Require a deity

Morninglord(Amaunator, FRPG) When you use a CD power you do auto radiant damage to enemies, plus this is a sun deity.

Platinum Templar (Bahamut, Dragonborn) CD powers boost defenses of allies.

Silverstar (Selûne, FRPG) Lyanthrope fighting implement using path.

Heartwarder(Sune) charisma focus and exploits vulnerabilities

Soul Reaper(Raven queen, Dragon) Can use str, wis or cha, ranged/close burst implement powers.

Exorcist of the Silver Flame(Silver Flame, EBPG) Fire and radiant theme

Doomguide(Kelemvor, FRPG) Charisma path with a leader theme.

Soldier of Conquest (Bane, Dragon) Strength themed path.

Hammer of Moradain(Moradin, Cleric or Paladin, DP) Hammer and strength path.

Lightwalker(Kalashtar, Path of Light, EBPG) Radiant themed wisdom path

Champion of Corellon (Corellon, Paladin, DP) Strength path that rewards having a decent dex while in heavy armor.

Raven Herald (Raven Queen, Rogue, MP) Dex theme, that is more for rogues then pure divine characters.

Traveler's Harlequin(Traveler, Multiclassed, MP) Exploitable and can use any stat for powers.

Give you a CD

Chromatic Bane(Divine, Dragon) Any divine class and can use str, wis, or cha for attacks. Gives you an extra channel divinity power called platinum mantle

Radiant Fist(Monk and divine, PHB3) You get the use of CD and a divinity feat.

Knight of the Chalice (Paladin, DP) Get the CD power Censure Devils.

Help With CD

Dervish of Dawn (Avenger, DP) Get a second CD power when bloodied.

Unveiled Visage (Avenger PHB2) get a second CD usage when you spend an action point.

Blessed Psalmist(bard, and Divine Class, Dragon) Get your multiclassed divine classes CD powers.

Scourge of Io (Cleric, Dragon) Any CD power that effects undead, also effects dragons.

Soul Guide(Cleric, MOTP) Spend action points for extra CD uses.

Sivis Truenamer(Mark of Scribing, EBPG) Action points recharge CD use.

Soulforged(Moradin, Dragon) Wisdom based weapon path.

Epic destinies

require a deity/domain

Chosen(FRPG/DP) Must worship a FR deity

Sublime Flame(EPG) Must worship silver flame

Bahamut's Vessel(Drag) Must worship Bahumut

Raven Knight (Drag) Must Worship Raven Queen

Raven Consort (Drag) Must Worship Raven Queen.

Avatar of Death (DP) Requires Death Knell

Avatar of Freedom (DP) Requires path of Freedom

Avatar of Hope (DP) Requires Hope Remains

Avatar of Justive (DP) Requires Immediate Justice

Avatar of Life (DP) Requires Pulse of Life

Avatar of Storm (DP) Require storm sacrifice

Avatar of War (DP) Requires path of war

Help with CD

Revered One (DP) Pick any CD power and sue all of them each encounter.

Items

Other Powers

Powers

Ways to get more uses of Channel divinity

Glorious Channeler Feat

Other

Last Reservation. You can post now. Do not expect much in the way of content for a while, but I should have most of the ratings up for clerics fairly soon since I will take that from my own guide.

Ginzu Items: A Guide to Dual Purpose Implements & Weapons

Night at the Roxbury: Tricks for Parties With Multiple Defenders

This Party is Off the Hook! A Miniguide to Party Optimization

My Fun builds:

Defender, Set Hammers to Stun: 8.5 Stuns an Encounter at level 23

Swampthing: Earthforger Lifespirit Warden Verdant Lord

St. Elmo's Fire: Satyr Monk/Chaladin, Challenge, Slide, and Shift!

Don't Come Around Here No More: A Catch 22 WorldSpeaker

Bear Trap: Polearm Momentum Protector Shaman Disciple of Winds

Raging Teleporter: Genasi Barbarian/Assault swordmage Ghostblade

#5 Mar 08, 2010 18:31:17

Krika

Joined Nov 2009

777 Posts

Off hand I just wanted to mention that you might want to include PPs that aren't necessarily for divine classes, but require you to worship a specific diety. Only example I can think of off the bat is Lightbringer, from EPG, but just a thought.

Take a look at my Handbook: The Pet Store: A Familiar Keeper's Handbook Nacht: "Vecna can do ANYTHING given preptime. He's like an undead lich god Batman."

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#6 Mar 09, 2010 8:59:38

Chimerasame

Joined Oct 2007

1073 Posts

Off hand I just wanted to mention that you might want to include PPs that aren't necessarily for divine classes, but require you to worship a specific diety. Only example I can think of off the bat is Lightbringer, from EPG, but just a thought.

Traveler's Harlequin, also.

The world is a mess, I just need to... rule it.

#7 Mar 09, 2010 9:17:22

a_man_in_black

Joined Oct 2009

316 Posts

Feel free to loot anything you want from the invoker guide. Share and share alike.

An invoker handbook

#8 Mar 09, 2010 9:25:36

Joined Jan 2008

3022 Posts

I wonder what the name of the graph algorithm that would find the optimal "domain" to worship thus giving you access to the domains of all the gods that belong to the domain chosen.
domain nodes can only have edges to god nodes and visa-versa. because god nodes are only connected to 3 domain nodes at most, you could limit your search to domain only nodes. But how to find the domain that, within 2 hops(domain-god-domain) maximizes your options. I guess you could remove all god nodes by replacing them with an edge from each domain they belong to to all other domains they belong to. Then we must simply find a maximum independant set. YAY NP-Complete.

DPR King Candidates 3.0

You're fired : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR Fair Striker : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR Nerfbat please : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage = DPR/(8*level+24) KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?

#9 Mar 09, 2010 10:12:43

Joined Jan 2008

3022 Posts

If all gods are available we have the following trees of domain availability if you worship 1 domain and thus have access to the domains of all the gods that belong to the selected domain:

change: freedom(Olladra), luck(Olladra), arcana(Sel?ne), creation(The Traveler), moon(Sel?ne), trickery(The Traveler)

freedom: change(Olladra), luck(Olladra), hope(Ilmater), skill(The Path of Light), wilderness(Mielikki), sun(The Path of Light)

luck: change(Olladra), freedom(Olladra)

hope: freedom(Ilmater), justice(The Silver Flame), protection(The Silver Flame), war(Dol Arrah), life(Chauntea), earth(Chauntea), sun(Dol Arrah)

justice: hope(The Silver Flame), protection(Boldrei), arcana(Aureon), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Erathis), fate(Kelemvor), knowledge(Aureon), strength(Bahamut), sun(Amaunator), death(Kelemvor)

protection: hope(The Silver Flame), justice(Boldrei), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Moradin), strength(Tempus), war(The Spirits of the Past), earth(Luthic), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past), truesilver life(Berronar)

arcana: change(Sel?ne), justice(Aureon), skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), knowledge(Aureon), moon(Sel?ne), darkness(The Shadow)

skill: freedom(The Path of Light), arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), civilization(Kol Korran), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Oghma), strength(Dol Dorn), war(Dol Dorn), sun(The Path of Light), love(Sune), trickery(Kol Korran)

wilderness: freedom(Mielikki), arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), storm(Arawai), strength(Balinor), life(Arawai), sea(Melora), earth(Balinor), love(Sheela Peryroyl), destruction(The Dark Six)

civilization: justice(Boldrei), protection(Boldrei), skill(Kol Korran), creation(Onatar), fate(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Sovereign Host), strength(Onatar), war(Bane), sun(Amaunator), trickery(Kol Korran), tyranny(Bane)

creation: change(The Traveler), justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Onatar), knowledge(Gond), strength(Onatar), earth(Moradin), trickery(The Traveler)

fate: justice(Kelemvor), skill(Ioun), civilization(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen), trickery(Beshaba), undeath(The Undying Court)

knowledge: justice(Aureon), arcana(Aureon), skill(Oghma), civilization(The Sovereign Host), creation(Gond), fate(The Undying Court), trickery(Oghma), tyranny(Asmodeus), darkness(Shar), torment(Asmodeus), undeath(The Undying Court)

storm: wilderness(Arawai), strength(Gruumsh), war(Kord), life(Arawai), sea(The Devourer), winter(Auril), destruction(The Devourer)

strength: justice(Bahamut), protection(Tempus), skill(Dol Dorn), wilderness(Balinor), civilization(Onatar), creation(Onatar), storm(Gruumsh), war(Dol Dorn), earth(Balinor), destruction(Gruumsh)

war: hope(Dol Arrah), protection(The Spirits of the Past), skill(Dol Dorn), civilization(Bane), storm(Kord), strength(Dol Dorn), sun(Dol Arrah), trickery(The Mockery), tyranny(Bane), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past)

life: hope(Chauntea), wilderness(Arawai), storm(Arawai), sea(Melora), earth(Chauntea), sun(Pelor)

sea: wilderness(Melora), storm(The Devourer), life(Melora), destruction(The Devourer)

earth: hope(Chauntea), protection(Luthic), wilderness(Balinor), creation(Moradin), strength(Balinor), life(Chauntea), destruction(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), torment(Torog)

sun: freedom(The Path of Light), hope(Dol Arrah), justice(Amaunator), skill(The Path of Light), civilization(Amaunator), war(Dol Arrah), life(Pelor)

death: justice(Kelemvor), fate(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen), torment(The Keeper), undeath(The Blood of Vol)

winter: fate(The Raven Queen), storm(Auril), death(The Raven Queen)

love: skill(Sune), wilderness(Sheela Peryroyl), moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sune)

moon: change(Sel?ne), arcana(Sel?ne), love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery: change(The Traveler), skill(Kol Korran), civilization(Kol Korran), creation(The Traveler), fate(Beshaba), knowledge(Oghma), war(The Mockery), love(Sune), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), strife(Cyric)

tyranny: civilization(Bane), knowledge(Asmodeus), war(Bane), vengeance(Tiamat), torment(Asmodeus)

destruction: wilderness(The Dark Six), storm(The Devourer), strength(Gruumsh), sea(The Devourer), earth(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), poison(Talona)

darkness: arcana(The Shadow), knowledge(Shar), trickery(Lolth), madness(Cults of the Dragon Below), strife(Lolth), undeath(Shar), poison(Zehir)

madness: earth(Ghaunadaur), trickery(Cyric), destruction(Ghaunadaur), darkness(Cults of the Dragon Below), strife(Cyric), vengeance(The Fury)

strife: trickery(Cyric), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), vengeance(Tiamat), poison(Lolth)

vengeance: protection(The Spirits of the Past), war(The Spirits of the Past), tyranny(Tiamat), madness(The Fury), strife(Tiamat), torment(Loviatar)

torment: knowledge(Asmodeus), eaThe thread 0x14e0 has exited with code 0 (0x0). rth(Torog), death(The Keeper), tyranny(Asmodeus), vengeance(Loviatar)

undeath: fate(The Undying Court), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(The Blood of Vol), darkness(Shar)

poison: destruction(Talona), darkness(Zehir), strife(Lolth)

truesilver life: protection(Berronar)

DPR King Candidates 3.0

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage = DPR/(8*level+24) KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?

#10 Mar 09, 2010 10:17:20

Joined Jan 2008

3022 Posts

Core only

change: freedom(Avandra), luck(Avandra)

freedom: change(Avandra), luck(Avandra)

luck: change(Avandra), freedom(Avandra)

hope: justice(Bahamut), protection(Bahamut), life(Pelor), sun(Pelor)

justice: hope(Bahamut), protection(Bahamut), civilization(Erathis), creation(Erathis)

protection: hope(Bahamut), justice(Bahamut), creation(Moradin), earth(Moradin)

arcana: skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon)

skill: arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), war(Bane)

wilderness: arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), life(Melora), sea(Melora)

civilization: justice(Erathis), creation(Erathis), tyranny(Asmodeus)

creation: justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Erathis), earth(Moradin)

fate: skill(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), death(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen)

knowledge: skill(Ioun), fate(Ioun), undeath(Vecna)

storm: strength(Kord), war(Kord)

strength: storm(Kord), war(Kord), destruction(Gruumsh)

war: skill(Bane), storm(Kord), strength(Kord)

life: hope(Pelor), wilderness(Melora), sea(Melora), sun(Pelor)

sea: wilderness(Melora), life(Melora)

earth: protection(Moradin), creation(Moradin), torment(Torog)

sun: hope(Pelor), life(Pelor)

death: fate(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen)

winter: fate(The Raven Queen), death(The Raven Queen)

love: moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

moon: love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery: love(Sehanine), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth)

tyranny: civilization(Asmodeus)

destruction: strength(Gruumsh), madness(Tharizdun)

darkness: trickery(Lolth), poison(Zehir)

madness: destruction(Tharizdun)

strife: vengeance(Tiamat)

vengeance: strife(Tiamat)

torment: earth(Torog)

undeath: knowledge(Vecna)

poison: darkness(Zehir)

DPR King Candidates 3.0

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage = DPR/(8*level+24) KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?

#11 Mar 09, 2010 10:20:26

Joined Jan 2008

3022 Posts

FR + core

change: freedom(Avandra), luck(Tymora), arcana(Sel?ne), moon(Sel?ne)

freedom: change(Avandra), luck(Avandra), hope(Ilmater), wilderness(Mielikki)

luck: change(Tymora), freedom(Avandra)

hope: freedom(Ilmater), justice(Bahamut), protection(Angharradh), life(Chauntea), earth(Chauntea), sun(Pelor)

justice: hope(Bahamut), protection(Torm), civilization(Torm), creation(Erathis), fate(Kelemvor), strength(Bahamut), sun(Amaunator), death(Kelemvor)

protection: hope(Angharradh), justice(Torm), civilization(Torm), creation(Moradin), strength(Tempus), war(Tempus), earth(Luthic), truesilver life(Berronar)

arcana: change(Sel?ne), skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), moon(Sel?ne), darkness(Sseth)

skill: arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Oghma), war(Bane), love(Sune), trickery(Sune)

wilderness: freedom(Mielikki), arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), storm(Silvanus), life(Silvanus), sea(Melora), love(Sheela Peryroyl)

civilization: justice(Torm), protection(Torm), creation(Erathis), knowledge(Waukeen), war(Bane), sun(Amaunator), tyranny(Bane)

creation: justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Erathis), knowledge(Gond), earth(Moradin), trickery(Garl Glittergold)

fate: justice(Kelemvor), skill(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), death(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen), trickery(Beshaba)

knowledge: skill(Oghma), civilization(Waukeen), creation(Gond), fate(Ioun), trickery(Oghma), tyranny(Asmodeus), darkness(Shar), torment(Asmodeus), undeath(Shar)

storm: wilderness(Silvanus), strength(Gruumsh), war(Kord), life(Silvanus), sea(Umberlee), winter(Auril), destruction(Gruumsh)

strength: justice(Bahamut), protection(Tempus), storm(Gruumsh), war(Tempus), destruction(Gruumsh)

war: protection(Tempus), skill(Bane), civilization(Bane), storm(Kord), strength(Tempus), tyranny(Bane)

life: hope(Chauntea), wilderness(Silvanus), storm(Silvanus), sea(Melora), earth(Chauntea), sun(Pelor)

sea: wilderness(Melora), storm(Umberlee), life(Melora)

earth: hope(Chauntea), protection(Luthic), creation(Moradin), life(Chauntea), destruction(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), torment(Torog)

sun: hope(Pelor), justice(Amaunator), civilization(Amaunator), life(Pelor)

death: justice(Kelemvor), fate(Kelemvor), winter(The Raven Queen)

winter: fate(The Raven Queen), storm(Auril), death(The Raven Queen)

love: skill(Sune), wilderness(Sheela Peryroyl), moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sune)

moon: change(Sel?ne), arcana(Sel?ne), love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery: skill(Sune), creation(Garl Glittergold), fate(Beshaba), knowledge(Oghma), love(Sune), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), strife(Cyric)

tyranny: civilization(Bane), knowledge(Asmodeus), war(Bane), vengThe thread 0xbf8 has exited with code 0 (0x0). eance(Tiamat), torment(Asmodeus)

destruction: storm(Gruumsh), strength(Gruumsh), earth(Ghaunadaur), madness(Ghaunadaur), poison(Talona)

darkness: arcana(Sseth), knowledge(Shar), trickery(Lolth), strife(Lolth), undeath(Shar), poison(Zehir)

madness: earth(Ghaunadaur), trickery(Cyric), destruction(Ghaunadaur), strife(Cyric)

strife: trickery(Cyric), darkness(Lolth), madness(Cyric), vengeance(Tiamat), poison(Lolth)

vengeance: tyranny(Tiamat), strife(Tiamat), torment(Loviatar)

torment: knowledge(Asmodeus), earth(Torog), tyranny(Asmodeus), vengeance(Loviatar)

undeath: knowledge(Shar), darkness(Shar)

poison: destruction(Talona), darkness(Zehir), strife(Lolth)

truesilver life: protection(Berronar)

EB + core

change: freedom(Olladra), luck(Olladra), creation(The Traveler), trickery(The Traveler)

freedom: change(Olladra), luck(Olladra), skill(The Path of Light), sun(The Path of Light)

luck: change(Olladra), freedom(Olladra)

hope: justice(The Silver Flame), protection(The Silver Flame), war(Dol Arrah), life(Pelor), sun(Dol Arrah)

justice: hope(The Silver Flame), protection(Boldrei), arcana(Aureon), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Erathis), knowledge(Aureon)

protection: hope(The Silver Flame), justice(Boldrei), civilization(Boldrei), creation(Moradin), war(The Spirits of the Past), earth(Moradin), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past)

arcana: justice(Aureon), skill(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), knowledge(Aureon), darkness(The Shadow)

skill: freedom(The Path of Light), arcana(Corellon), wilderness(Corellon), civilization(Kol Korran), fate(Ioun), knowledge(Ioun), strength(Dol Dorn), war(Dol Dorn), sun(The Path of Light), trickery(Kol Korran)

wilderness: arcana(Corellon), skill(Corellon), storm(Arawai), strength(Balinor), life(Arawai), sea(Melora), earth(Balinor), destruction(The Dark Six)

civilization: justice(Boldrei), protection(Boldrei), skill(Kol Korran), creation(Onatar), fate(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Sovereign Host), strength(Onatar), trickery(Kol Korran), tyranny(Asmodeus)

creation: change(The Traveler), justice(Erathis), protection(Moradin), civilization(Onatar), strength(Onatar), earth(Moradin), trickery(The Traveler)

fate: skill(Ioun), civilization(The Sovereign Host), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen), undeath(The Undying Court)

knowledge: justice(Aureon), arcana(Aureon), skill(Ioun), civilization(The Sovereign Host), fate(The Undying Court), undeath(The Undying Court)

storm: wilderness(Arawai), strength(Kord), war(Kord), life(Arawai), sea(The Devourer), destruction(The Devourer)

strength: skill(Dol Dorn), wilderness(Balinor), civilization(Onatar), creation(Onatar), storm(Kord), war(Dol Dorn), earth(Balinor), destruction(Gruumsh)

war: hope(Dol Arrah), protection(The Spirits of the Past), skill(Dol Dorn), storm(Kord), strength(Dol Dorn), sun(Dol Arrah), trickery(The Mockery), vengeance(The Spirits of the Past)

life: hope(Pelor), wilderness(Arawai), storm(Arawai), sea(Melora), sun(Pelor)

sea: wilderness(Melora), storm(The Devourer), life(Melora), destruction(The Devourer)

earth: protection(Moradin), wilderness(Balinor), creation(Moradin), strength(Balinor), torment(Torog)

sun: freedom(The Path of Light), hope(Dol Arrah), skill(The Path of Light), war(Dol Arrah), life(Pelor)

death: fate(The Raven Queen), winter(The Raven Queen), torment(The Keeper), undeath(The Blood of Vol)

winter: fate(The Raven Queen), death(The Raven Queen)

love: moon(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

moon: love(Sehanine), trickery(Sehanine)

trickery: change(The Traveler), skill(Kol Korran), civilization(Kol Korran), creation(The Traveler), war(The Mockery), love(Sehanine), moon(Sehanine), darkness(Lolth)

tyranny: civilization(Asmodeus)

destruction: wilderness(The Dark Six), storm(The Devourer), strength(Gruumsh), sea(The Devourer), madness(Tharizdun)

darkness: arcana(The Shadow), trickery(Lolth), madness(Cults of the Dragon Below), poison(Zehir)

madness: destruction(Tharizdun), darkness(Cults of the Dragon Below), vengeance(The Fury)

strife: vengeance(Tiamat)

vengeance: protection(The Spirits of the Past), war(The Spirits of the Past), madness(The Fury), strife(Tiamat)

torment: earth(Torog), death(The Keeper)

undeath: fate(The Undying Court), knowledge(The Undying Court), death(The Blood of Vol)

poison: darkness(Zehir)

DPR King Candidates 3.0

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage = DPR/(8*level+24) KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?

#12 Mar 09, 2010 10:30:34

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Thanks for doing the work for me borg. I will probably encorporate your indexes somehow since I was planning on adding something like what you did.

For anyone else who wants to help, I know the cleric class very well and have that covered. I know paladins pretty well and probably will tackle their domain at wills next. Then I will move on to avengers who I know less and finally invokers, who I know the least about and who I have never seen in play. Anyone has top five deity recommendations for the section in the first post let me know. For instance Lazer clerics number first entry is going to be pelor: domain feat helps with lance of faith and the channel divinity feats help with radiant vulnerability and the other lets you take healer's mercy in place of turn undead if you want to.

I figure the sun gods will in general be helpful for most divine power source builds, but I might include a top 5 domains as well focusing on the most common at will powers that get buffed by domains (skill for battle clerics since that is good boost to righteous brand, earth because that is a good boost to recovery strike etc.)

Ginzu Items: A Guide to Dual Purpose Implements & Weapons

Night at the Roxbury: Tricks for Parties With Multiple Defenders

This Party is Off the Hook! A Miniguide to Party Optimization

My Fun builds:

Defender, Set Hammers to Stun: 8.5 Stuns an Encounter at level 23

Swampthing: Earthforger Lifespirit Warden Verdant Lord

St. Elmo's Fire: Satyr Monk/Chaladin, Challenge, Slide, and Shift!

Don't Come Around Here No More: A Catch 22 WorldSpeaker

Bear Trap: Polearm Momentum Protector Shaman Disciple of Winds

Raging Teleporter: Genasi Barbarian/Assault swordmage Ghostblade

#13 Mar 09, 2010 11:01:01

kilpatds

Joined Nov 2003

5250 Posts

Avenger's #1 is Corellon (Power of Skill), #2 is Amaunator (Morninglord), #3 is Tempus (RRoT). After that... Kord maybe (some of the best Godsworn elements, Power of Strength), but we've really fallen off the beaten path already.

Power of * by At-Will:
Overwhelming Strike: Change, Darkness, Earth, Madness, Poison, Skill, Strength, Storm, Torment, Trickery, Wilderness
Bond of Censure: Destruction, Justice, Luck, Moon, Sea, Tyranny, Undeath, Winter
Bond of Retribution: Fate, Strife, War
Leading Strike: Civilization, Freedom, Hope, Knowledge, Protection
Radiant Vengenace: Arcana, Creation, Death, Life, Love, Sun, Vengeance

"Nice assumptions. Completely wrong assumptions, but by jove if being incorrect stopped people from making idiotic statements, we wouldn't have modern internet subculture." Kerrus
Practical gameplay runs by neither RAW or RAI, but rather "A Compromise Between The Gist Of The Rule As I Recall Getting The Impression Of It That One Time I Read It And What Jerry Says He Remembers, Whatever, We'll Look It Up Later If Any Of Us Still Give A Damn." Erachima

#14 Mar 09, 2010 11:06:35

ShakaUVM

Joined Feb 2003

3831 Posts

Changeling. Fickle Servant. Be a Tempite with Power of skill to make Righteous Brand a basic attack.

A List of My Favorite Builds

#15 Mar 30, 2010 17:20:55

Joined Jun 2008

5782 Posts

I have gotten some work done on this guide, but it is not finished yet. The domain section is mostly done, but not every thing is rated yet. I have most of the feats that help CD powers listed. I have all the paragon paths that help CD, give you a CD, or which require a specific divinity up now as well. Will try to finish deity/domain related epic destinies and equipment next.

Ginzu Items: A Guide to Dual Purpose Implements & Weapons

Night at the Roxbury: Tricks for Parties With Multiple Defenders

This Party is Off the Hook! A Miniguide to Party Optimization

My Fun builds:

Defender, Set Hammers to Stun: 8.5 Stuns an Encounter at level 23

Swampthing: Earthforger Lifespirit Warden Verdant Lord

St. Elmo's Fire: Satyr Monk/Chaladin, Challenge, Slide, and Shift!

Don't Come Around Here No More: A Catch 22 WorldSpeaker

Bear Trap: Polearm Momentum Protector Shaman Disciple of Winds

Raging Teleporter: Genasi Barbarian/Assault swordmage Ghostblade

#16 Apr 02, 2010 19:57:44

BRJN

Joined Jun 2001

3272 Posts

Best complements I have yet received

I have an opponent 'concept character' going: an evil Malediction Invoker who worships Tharizdun (under an alias) and Asmodeus (for real). This allows him to add Power of Madness to his range 10 burst L9 power (which I forget the name of at the moment) and cause everybody to whack themselves with their next attack. He can make every minion in the room sweep themselves.

Making it up as I go along:

{BRJN} If I was writing the Tome of Lore, I would let Auppenser sleep. But I also would have him dream. In his dreaming he re-activates the innate powers of (some) mortal minds. Or his dreaming changes the nature of reality - currently very malleable thanks to Spellplague &c. Or whatever really cool flavor text and pseudo-science explanation people react positively to.

{Lord_Karsus} You know, I like that better than the explanations for the Spellplague.

{BRJN} If Bhaal approves of The Joker, does he approve of Jack Nicholson's portrayal or Heath Ledger's protrayal more?

{Stigger} That question is utterly classic, and completely on target.

Prepped ahead of time:

I started the 4e thread "1001 Failed Interrogation Results" (now lost in that great electronic goodnight, alas)

{ADHadh} These are all good and make sense! I just can't come up with something that's not covered here and is not completely ridiculous.

(News bulletin: Updated thread to be posted after I review the 5e DMG)

My 5e characters

Active:

Erevyn Meliamne, Wood Elf Rogue1/Monk2, AL, inspired by "Radar O'Reilly" from M*A*S*H: Perception(max)

Alavos of Kirauma, Half-elf Ancients Paladin8, HotDQ / Tiamat, Warlord themed - now an NPC because I was voted DM for our group !

Characters Ready-to-go:

none at present; gotta work on somebody from below !

Concepts I'm kicking around:

Tiefling Bard - party "face", skillful, future business master (using 3e FRCS background material) and patron to beginning adventurers.

Barbarian w/Tough feat, to be nearly indestructible

"Truenamer" cleric - all spells are Verbal

"Buggy" Wizard - insect flavor on everything. His DMPC / BBEG version is going to become a beetle version of a Worm That Walks. (See the 4e MM picture of a Lamia.) Because lichdom is so cliche.

#17 Apr 02, 2010 22:30:04

auralynx

Joined Jan 2003

1 Post

An observation I've wanted to put into practice: Bane's Tyrannical Transference is, perversely, a pretty good Channel Divinity feat for a Virtue's Touch paladin.

#18 Apr 20, 2010 16:34:41

Joined Jun 2008

5782 Posts

I have been working on this still off and on. All of the channel divinity powers are up except for some of the recent dragon mags.

The main thing left to do is finish the cheat sheet in the first post and there are some sections in the last post that still need work.

Ginzu Items: A Guide to Dual Purpose Implements & Weapons

Night at the Roxbury: Tricks for Parties With Multiple Defenders

This Party is Off the Hook! A Miniguide to Party Optimization

My Fun builds:

Defender, Set Hammers to Stun: 8.5 Stuns an Encounter at level 23

Swampthing: Earthforger Lifespirit Warden Verdant Lord

St. Elmo's Fire: Satyr Monk/Chaladin, Challenge, Slide, and Shift!

Don't Come Around Here No More: A Catch 22 WorldSpeaker

Bear Trap: Polearm Momentum Protector Shaman Disciple of Winds

Raging Teleporter: Genasi Barbarian/Assault swordmage Ghostblade

#19 May 08, 2010 16:22:49

Ender-A

Joined May 2010

28 Posts

I noticed that in several instances you're missing Pelor. I don't know if you're missing other associated deites:

The original post doesn't list Pelor in the first Hope section, and doesn't list him as associated by hope under the first life and sun sections, whereas "core only" lists list him appropriately. The FR+core lists him as associated by sun under hope, but not as associated by life, then as sun under life but not hope, then correctly under sun. EB+core lists him as associated by life under hope, correctly under life, and only by life under sun.
Likewise, borg285's posts mimic those errors.

#20 May 08, 2010 16:46:45

phil500

Joined Mar 2008

221 Posts

quote from 1st post:

This only gives access to that particular channel divinity power once a day, but you count as a member of the class for all other prerequisites. You can then pick up a separate channel divinity feat and use that power each encounter.

My question:

is there any way to do this to get the channel divinity feat healers mercy?

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#21 May 08, 2010 18:04:39

phil500

Joined Mar 2008

221 Posts

I think you misread it: I just read divine channeler and it states that if you get another channel divinity you cannot increase the normal amount of uses.

#22 May 09, 2010 7:08:32

Ender-A

Joined May 2010

28 Posts

quote from 1st post:

This only gives access to that particular channel divinity power once a day, but you count as a member of the class for all other prerequisites. You can then pick up a separate channel divinity feat and use that power each encounter.

My question:

is there any way to do this to get the channel divinity feat healers mercy?

Yes. The other way would be to be a hybrid cleric.

#23 May 09, 2010 7:26:32

phil500

Joined Mar 2008

221 Posts

Yes. The other way would be to be a hybrid cleric.

ah i am a hybrid cleric but dont want to give up the pally armor feat. so i guess neither works, since you cant take a multiclass feat of one of your classes, right?

#24 May 14, 2010 13:31:30

Ender-A

Joined May 2010

28 Posts

Yes. The other way would be to be a hybrid cleric.

ah i am a hybrid cleric but dont want to give up the pally armor feat. so i guess neither works, since you cant take a multiclass feat of one of your classes, right?

You can take the Hybrid paragon path instead. That would give you an extra hybrid talent feat, plus
Level 11: Any 7th or lower level encounter
Level 12: Any 10th or lower level utility
Level 20: Any 19th or lower level daily

#25 Jun 20, 2013 16:09:19

Joined Mar 2008

252 Posts

I'm looking through the guide and have to say I do not feel the guide is very easy to read and see what god gives you what benefits.

I am also very much missing feats like Silvery Glow.

#26 Jun 20, 2013 16:17:54

pinkisthenewred

Joined Jan 2013

1903 Posts

That's because it's a three years old guide that you just re-animated. For me it does exactly what i need it for, basically the "domains" sblock in post 1.

#27 Jun 20, 2013 16:29:57

Joined Mar 2008

252 Posts

The Complete Collection of Character Build Links still has a link to this so I doubt the thread hasn't been visited or used in all that time just becuase there haven't been any posts.

And seeing there aren't any other guides out there for astral windowshopping I feel this is the best place to point out that the guide is, apparently, outdated.

#28 Jun 20, 2013 16:41:26

pinkisthenewred

Joined Jan 2013

1903 Posts

You may not have noticed it yet, but the point is, that nearly every guide is outdated, some to a high degree. They're only usable for new players who want to learn the basics. The meta-game and build strategies have changed immensely since then. Or when did you see someone using bloodied op or gearing towards daily novas with setup turns the last time?
Refined builds and class advice is given in the CharOP forum, not the build collection. Stumbling upon them requires one to be a regular lurker, at least, tho.

#29 Jun 20, 2013 16:55:08

Joined Mar 2008

252 Posts

Wait.
4th edition has stopped and there will most likely be no further updates (no official ones anyhow).
You don't think guides like this one should be made up to date so one doesn't have to be a regular lurker to read the best advice on choosing a diety?

If guides like this only help people who already know what to look for and know what is out of date it kinda beats the point in having them in the first place in my opinion.

Ofcourse the best advice for a build is when you have put it all together and the charopboards should be for that, but the boards shouldn't be about answering the same question over and over again when a guide could answer the basics just as easily.

#30 Jun 20, 2013 19:49:53

Celerian01

Joined May 2011

776 Posts

Updating the guides requires that someone with sufficient system mastery has the time and inclination to do so. Which lets me out since my rule-fu isn't particularly amazing.

#31 Jun 20, 2013 23:14:23

pinkisthenewred

Joined Jan 2013

1903 Posts

You don't think guides like this one should be made up to date so one doesn't have to be a regular lurker to read the best advice on choosing a diety?

The writers of this and many other guides went inactive, or at least don't post anymore.
I mean, i am using the handbooks fairly often, but the regulars with high enough system mastery to cover all that would be needed to update them, possibly don't use them at all. Ever.
Will you pay them for the time they spend to update a guide for you?

Ofcourse the best advice for a build is when you have put it all together and the charopboards should be for that, but the boards shouldn't be about answering the same question over and over again when a guide could answer the basics just as easily.

People would continue posting the same questions over and over again, even if all the guides would be up-to-date. Simply, because having a perfect tool box still doesn't make you a perfect craftsman.

At least it would be nice not to read the same damn combos over and over again. It's not too hard to use the search function (or just look at the first page of the forum to find at least one!) for a top notch Barbarian hybrid or Ranger|Cleric.

#32 Jun 21, 2013 3:57:36

Joined Mar 2008

252 Posts

*rolls his eyes*

Ahh yes the famed search function. Well known to find you the answers you seek...... uhhm yeah. :P

The writers of this and many other guides went inactive, or at least don't post anymore.
I mean, i am using the handbooks fairly often, but the regulars with high enough system mastery to cover all that would be needed to update them, possibly don't use them at all. Ever.
Will you pay them for the time they spend to update a guide for you?

I am pointing out this guide could need an update. I am not demanding an update. Will I pay them? No I would not, but I would be quite gratefull to the people who make such guides when I make use of them. Just as I am gratefull to Lordduskblade for his barbarian and ranger handbooks, RuinsFate for his wizard handbook, GelatinousOctahedron for his cleric handbook and Nausicaa for her white mage handbook, to name a few.

#33 Jun 21, 2013 4:12:42

svendj

Joined Apr 2010

2552 Posts

Bovine Intervention: a Minotaur miniguide

I am pointing out this guide could need an update. I am not demanding an update.

While I'm sure your intentions are good, the tone of your first couple of posts comes dangerously close to a demand. That's probably why pink responds the way he does. After all, if you feel a guide can be improved, there's nothing stopping you from doing so yourself.

You can even copy/paste the content of an out-of-date guide to your own thread and start updating it from there. That's what MwaO did with the monk guide, and no one complained about that. Quite the opposite, they were glad someone finally stepped up to update it.

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#34 Jun 21, 2013 9:51:46

Joined Mar 2008

252 Posts

Challenge accepted or atleast partly ;). I mentioned feats so gathered feats. More of them then I thought there would be darn it xD

(under construction)

Our true god?

The true god of D&D

-Moved to it's own thread-

#35 Jun 21, 2013 11:09:15

ezrider23

Joined Jan 2009

1287 Posts